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docs: fold in adversarial review — correct the debug-log reasoning + the overhead number
Independent adversarial reviewer (tasked with REFUTING this doc) confirmed the central claim — no byte-faithful incremental source exists on the TUI path — but found four factual defects in the prose. A negative claim that will be cited for years has to be right in its reasoning, not just its conclusion. 1. --debug-file: the "written at end-of-turn" reasoning was WRONG. The default log level is `debug`, which suppresses every `verbose` site; the original probe therefore ran with the stream logging OFF. At CLAUDE_CODE_DEBUG_LOG_LEVEL=verbose there ARE 16 mid-turn `[shoji-engine] yield stream_event/-` lines spread over ~3.9s of generation. The conclusion survives because those lines carry TIMING ONLY, no text payload (content_block_delta / text_delta / content_block_start / message_start = 0 at any verbosity or category filter). Reasoning rewritten: "logs when tokens arrive, never what they are" — as written before, the doc was falsifiable in 30 seconds. 2. The 7.319s `turn_duration` is NOT a "native" (non-OCP) baseline: it comes from an OCP-driven turn (cwd .ocp-tui/work, same 7451-char prompt, same 204-char answer as pr1 baseline row i=5, elapsed 11563ms). Reframed as what it actually is — a SAME-TURN decomposition, 11.563s wall - 7.319s CLI-internal = ~4.2s OCP overhead (n=1), which is a cleaner comparison than the doc originally claimed. 3. Dropped the "~2-4s" range: its low end mixed an effort-HIGH turn_duration with the effort-LOW wall-clock median, which understates overhead (a low-effort turn generates faster, so its own turn_duration would be lower). No turn_duration sample exists for the effort-low config. Now stated as ~4s (n=1, baseline config), with both caveats. 4. Softened "ZERO marginal benefit" (backlog #4) to "no benefit detectable at n=5" — n=5 cannot prove zero — and added the mechanistic reason the reviewer supplied, which is far stronger than the empirical null: `--help` says the flag improves cross-user prompt-cache REUSE, and OCP is single-user, so there is no cross-user cache to share. Also folded in the reviewer's independent sweep, which closes the search space rather than sampling it: the hook registry was enumerated from the shipped binary (no per-chunk / streaming hook exists among the 21 events); `capture-pane -e` was tested and shown to be a provably non-unique inverse (an H2 and a bold span emit IDENTICAL SGR 1); and sessions/<pid>.json, history.jsonl, CLAUDE_CODE_INCLUDE_PARTIAL_MESSAGES (undocumented), sessionMirror, --sdk-url and --input-format stream-json were each checked and each dies (contentless, or gated behind --output-format stream-json -> --print -> the metered sdk-cli pool). Prompt-mutation (asking the model for plain text) is named and rejected on ALIGNMENT grounds so it is not re-litigated later. Docs-only. No code change, no version bump. Co-Authored-By: Claude Fable 5 <noreply@anthropic.com> Claude-Session: https://claude.ai/code/session_01VqgWJcjxrjjL9L9SkpZyXR
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@@ -1033,7 +1033,7 @@ Then restart OCP. At boot you will see (with the env token set, isolated home au
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### What changes / what doesn't
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- **Callers see no API change.** The response is a normal OpenAI completion object or chunked SSE — identical wire format.
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- **No real token streaming — and it cannot be added.** TUI-mode buffers the full response then replays it as chunked SSE. You will see a delay then the complete response rather than real-time tokens. This is **structural, not a missing feature**: interactive `claude` exposes no byte-faithful incremental output. Its three observables are a *rendered* terminal (the pane's text has markdown source markers — `## `, `**`, code fences — stripped by rendering, so it is not the model's text), a transcript written at *event* granularity (the whole answer lands in one line ~0.3 s before the turn ends), and a debug log also written at end-of-turn. The one interface that emits token deltas, `--output-format stream-json`, requires `-p` — the metered-billing path TUI mode exists to avoid. Evidence: [`docs/plans/2026-07-13-tui-latency/streaming-spike.md`](docs/plans/2026-07-13-tui-latency/streaming-spike.md).
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- **No real token streaming — and it cannot be added.** TUI-mode buffers the full response then replays it as chunked SSE. You will see a delay then the complete response rather than real-time tokens. This is **structural, not a missing feature**: interactive `claude` exposes no byte-faithful incremental output. Its three observables are a *rendered* terminal (the pane's text has markdown source markers — `## `, `**`, code fences — stripped by rendering, so it is not the model's text), a transcript written at *event* granularity (the whole answer lands in one line ~0.3 s before the turn ends), and a debug log that reports *when* tokens arrive but never *what* they are (its mid-turn events carry no text payload at any verbosity). The one interface that emits token deltas, `--output-format stream-json`, requires `-p` — the metered-billing path TUI mode exists to avoid. Evidence: [`docs/plans/2026-07-13-tui-latency/streaming-spike.md`](docs/plans/2026-07-13-tui-latency/streaming-spike.md).
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- **Cache and singleflight work normally.** TUI-mode writes the buffered response to the cache on success; cache-hits skip the interactive turn entirely.
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- **The host's `CLAUDE.md` / auto-memory is never injected.** OCP is a proxy — the proxied client (OpenClaw / your IDE) owns its own context and memory. TUI-mode always runs `claude` with `CLAUDE_CODE_DISABLE_CLAUDE_MDS` + `CLAUDE_CODE_DISABLE_AUTO_MEMORY`, so a `CLAUDE.md` on the OCP host can never leak into proxied turns (verified live; see #4). Built-in tool schemas + the interactive system prompt remain (the inherent ~20–35K context floor of interactive mode); MCP is hard-disabled.
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- **Authenticate via `CLAUDE_CODE_OAUTH_TOKEN` in a credential-isolated home (recommended).** tmux does not forward the parent process's env to the pane, so OCP sets the token explicitly on the spawned `claude` when `CLAUDE_CODE_OAUTH_TOKEN` is present. But passing the token is **not enough on its own**: interactive `claude` *prefers* `~/.claude/.credentials.json` over the env var (unlike the `-p` path), so a stale `credentials.json` would shadow the token. With the env token set and `OCP_TUI_HOME` unset, OCP therefore runs claude in a **credential-isolated home** (`$HOME/.ocp-tui/home`) that has **no `credentials.json`** — so the env token is the only credential and is authoritative, and claude never runs the token-refresh path (so the single-use refresh token can't be corrupted by the spawn/teardown cycle). On a long-running host the credentials.json path produced a permanent `Please run /login · API Error: 401` that re-login could not fix (the next spawn re-corrupted it); the isolated home ends that at the root. Transcripts land under the same isolated home, so the answer-reader is unaffected. Without the env token, claude falls back to the real home's `credentials.json` (byte-for-byte the previous behaviour). (The token is visible in `ps` on the pane command — acceptable for the single-user A-path; the multi-user B-path is refused at boot.) See ADR 0007 PR-C / PR-D amendments.
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@@ -1050,7 +1050,7 @@ path, stated plainly so you can rule it out before building on it:
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| **TTFT floor (first token)** | **≈ 6 s** — immovable |
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| cold boot → input bar ready | ~1 s (per request; not the bottleneck) |
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| OCP's own overhead above the CLI | ~2–4 s |
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| OCP's own overhead above the CLI | ~4 s (n=1 same-turn decomposition) |
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| direct Anthropic API, same prompt (for scale) | 0.84–1.64 s |
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The ~6 s floor is the `claude` CLI itself: it always injects the full Claude Code system prompt plus
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@@ -52,9 +52,10 @@ real TTFT and OCP's reported 30–32 s is exactly that.
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> **⚠️ 2026-07-13 correction — this decomposition attributes the ~20 s to the wrong thing.** It was
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> inferred from the external 30–32 s report, never measured *through* OCP. It has since been measured
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> through a real OCP instance (TUI mode, `claude-sonnet-4-6`, the same ~1850-token prompt, n=5):
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> **median 11.30 s** before [#156](https://github.com/dtzp555-max/ocp/pull/156), **9.55 s** after —
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> against a native `turn_duration` of ~7.3 s for a comparable turn. So **OCP's own overhead above the
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> CLI is ~2–4 s, not ~20 s.** The rest of any larger number is the model *generating a long answer*,
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> **median 11.30 s** before [#156](https://github.com/dtzp555-max/ocp/pull/156), **9.55 s** after.
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> Same-turn decomposition (baseline row `i=5`): **11.563 s** wall through OCP vs `turn_duration:
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> 7.319 s` of CLI-internal time on that same turn → **OCP's own overhead ≈ 4.2 s** (n=1), **not
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> ~20 s**. The rest of any larger number is the model *generating a long answer*,
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> which the blocking wait does not cause and streaming would not shorten — it would only move the
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> first byte earlier. The 30–32 s figure therefore reflects a much longer output (and/or the
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> then-inherited `xhigh` effort), not 20 s of OCP dead time. See
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@@ -124,7 +125,9 @@ the effort level silently changes if the operator ever switches to env-token mod
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> grows at *event* granularity (the whole answer lands in one line, ~0.3 s before terminal), and the
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> pane is a **rendered** view whose `capture-pane` text no longer contains the answer's source bytes
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> (`## `, `**`, code fences are gone) — so no pane-derived stream can be reconciled with the
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> authoritative text. A third source (`--debug-file`) is byte-exact but also end-of-turn.
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> authoritative text. A third source (`--debug-file`) does emit mid-turn stream events at
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> `CLAUDE_CODE_DEBUG_LOG_LEVEL=verbose` — but they carry **timing only, no text payload** (0
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> `text_delta` at any verbosity); its only byte-exact text is the end-of-turn `Stop` hook payload.
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> `--output-format stream-json`, the only interface that emits token deltas, requires `-p` — the
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> metered-billing path that TUI mode exists to avoid. **True token streaming is not achievable on the
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> TUI path**; OCP's TUI SSE is replay-only. Note also that streaming would never have shortened a
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@@ -159,13 +162,17 @@ the background) amortizes it to zero for any workload below the pool refill rate
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#148 — pooled panes must not look like zombies to the sweep.
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- Lower priority than #1 and #2: it is the smallest slice.
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### 4. Trim the prefill — ~~probably not worth it~~ **MEASURED: no effect. Do not adopt.**
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### 4. Trim the prefill — ~~probably not worth it~~ **MEASURED: no detectable benefit. Do not adopt.**
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> **2026-07-13 update.** `--exclude-dynamic-system-prompt-sections` was measured with the same
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> harness (`floor.sh`, n=5, Sonnet 5, on top of `--effort low`): **TTFT median 6.39 s**
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> (5.87–10.54 s) vs **6.17 s** (5.87–6.44 s) for `--effort low` alone — i.e. **zero marginal
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> benefit**, within noise and with one worse outlier. The banner stayed on `· Claude Max`
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> (no billing-pool drop), but there is no win to bank. The ~6 s floor stands as stated below.
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> (5.87–10.54 s) vs **6.17 s** (5.87–6.44 s) for `--effort low` alone — i.e. **0.22 s worse, inside
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> the noise band**, with one worse outlier; dropping that outlier does not change the verdict. n=5
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> cannot prove "zero", only "no benefit detectable above noise" — but there is also a **mechanistic**
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> reason not to expect one: `--help` says the flag *"Improves cross-user prompt-cache **reuse**"*, and
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> **OCP is single-user** — there is no cross-user cache to share, so the flag has nothing to buy here.
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> The banner stayed on `· Claude Max` (no billing-pool drop), but there is no win to bank. The ~6 s
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> floor stands as stated below. Raw rows: [`prefill-spike-measurements.jsonl`](prefill-spike-measurements.jsonl).
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After #1–#3, the floor is **~6 s**, and it does not go lower. `claude` always injects the full
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@@ -66,15 +66,29 @@ PANE (the same turn):
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' - Tracks available "permits" and decrements the count when a thread acquires access, …'
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```
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Token-presence check over the whole final frame:
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Token-presence check **over the pane's answer region** (the prompt echo above it is excluded — it
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does contain a literal `**`, because the prompt itself asked for bold):
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| token in the answer | in transcript `T` | in pane |
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| token in the answer | in transcript `T` | in pane's answer region |
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| `## ` (ATX heading) | yes | **no** — rendered as `⏺` |
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| `**` (bold markers) | yes | **no** — rendered as ANSI bold, then stripped by `-p` |
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| ` ```javascript ` (fence + language) | yes | **no** — fence gone, language tag gone |
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| `- ` (list item) | yes | yes |
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**`capture-pane -e` (keep the ANSI) does not rescue it — the inverse is provably non-unique.**
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Minimal case, transcript `T` = ``"## Alpha\n\n**bravo**\n\n```javascript\nlet x=1;\n```"``:
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```
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⏺\e[39m \e[1mAlpha\n\n\e[0m \e[1mbravo\n\n\e[0m \e[34mlet\e[39m x=\e[32m1\e[39m;
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```
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`## Alpha` → **SGR 1 (bold)**. `**bravo**` → **SGR 1 (bold)**. *Identical ANSI* — an H2 and a bold
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span are indistinguishable, never mind `**` vs `__`. The fence and its `javascript` tag are consumed
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by the syntax highlighter into colours (`\e[34mlet`); recovering the tag would mean inverting a
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highlighter, and `let x=1;` is valid in several languages. Marker check on the `-e` capture: `## `,
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`**`, ```` ``` ````, ```` ```javascript ```` — **all absent**.
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Consequence for any design built on pane diffing: with `S` = text streamed from the pane and `T` =
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the transcript's authoritative text, the prefix invariant **`T.startsWith(S)` is false** — both raw
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and with the 2-space indent stripped. Not "sometimes, on redraw" — **on essentially every answer
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@@ -91,31 +105,66 @@ A proxy that streams pane text is streaming **something the model did not say**.
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a quality trade-off, it is a correctness violation (`ALIGNMENT.md` Core Principle: forward what
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`cli.js` emits; do not invent).
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### (c) `--debug-file` — **dead: byte-exact, but only at end-of-turn**
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### (c) `--debug-file` — **dead: it logs stream *timing*, never stream *content***
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Not considered in the original backlog; checked for completeness because it is the only other
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observable claude writes.
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Not considered in the original backlog; checked because it is the only other observable claude writes.
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`claude --debug-file <path>` does contain the **byte-exact raw markdown** — but only inside
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**end-of-turn hook payloads**:
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**There ARE mid-turn stream events in the debug log** — this is the one place a casual check
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misleads, so it is worth stating precisely. The default log level is `debug`, which **suppresses
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every `verbose` site**. Raise it and per-chunk lines appear, spread across the generation:
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```bash
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CLAUDE_CODE_DEBUG_LOG_LEVEL=verbose claude --debug-file /tmp/d.log …
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```
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[DEBUG] Hooks: Parsed initial response: {… "hook_event_name":"Stop", …
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"last_assistant_message":"## Title\n\n**alpha bravo charlie**" …}
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```
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05:51:11.088 [VERBOSE] [shoji-engine] yield stream_event/- ← 16 of these, mid-turn,
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05:51:11.537 [VERBOSE] [shoji-engine] yield stream_event/- spread over ~3.9 s of generation
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…
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05:51:14.910 [VERBOSE] [shoji-engine] yield assistant/-
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05:51:15.192 [DEBUG] [shoji-engine] turn 1 end (usage in=575 out=255 api=6736ms stop=end_turn resultLen=857)
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```
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Note `## ` and `**` survive here — this is the real text. But it arrives with the `Stop` hook, i.e.
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the same end-of-turn granularity as the transcript. Grepping the log for streaming events
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(`content_block_delta` / `text_delta`) finds **zero**. The log is also ~2.7 MB per turn, which rules
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it out as a production mechanism regardless.
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**But they carry no payload.** The format is `yield <type>/<subtype>` — a bare presence marker. At
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verbose level, with every category filter, the log contains:
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| event | count |
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| `content_block_delta` | **0** |
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| `text_delta` | **0** |
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| `content_block_start` / `message_start` | **0** |
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The only byte-exact text in the log is the **end-of-turn `Stop` hook payload**
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(`"last_assistant_message":"## Title\n\n**alpha bravo charlie**"` — note `## ` and `**` survive, so
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this *is* the real text), which is the same granularity as the transcript. So the debug log gives you
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**when** tokens arrive, never **what** they are. It is also ~2.7 MB per turn.
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*(An incremental "a token arrived" signal with no token in it cannot feed an SSE `delta.content`.)*
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### Everything else that could plausibly carry tokens — also checked, also dead
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An adversarial second pass (independent reviewer, tasked with *refuting* this document) enumerated
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the rest of the search space rather than sampling it. Nothing survived:
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| candidate | how it dies |
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| **Hooks** — is there a per-message/per-chunk hook? | The hook registry was enumerated from the shipped binary: `PreToolUse, PostToolUse, PostToolUseFailure, PostToolBatch, Notification, UserPromptSubmit, UserPromptExpansion, SessionStart, SessionEnd, Stop, StopFailure, SubagentStart, SubagentStop, PreCompact, PostCompact, PermissionRequest, PermissionDenied, Setup, TeammateIdle, TaskCreated, TaskCompleted`. **No streaming/per-chunk hook exists.** |
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| `CLAUDE_CODE_INCLUDE_PARTIAL_MESSAGES=1` (undocumented env twin of the flag; bypasses flag validation) | Ran live in a TUI turn: transcript still had **1** assistant event, **0** partials. Interactive mode has no stream-json *sink* for it to write to. Banner stayed `· Claude Max`. |
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| `sessionMirror` (undocumented) | Gated on `outputFormat === "stream-json"` → the `-p` family. |
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| `--sdk-url` (hidden) | Forces stream-json + non-interactive → `sdk-cli` (metered pool). |
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| `--input-format stream-json` | Live: `Error: --input-format=stream-json requires output-format=stream-json` → which requires `--print`. And it is an *input* format regardless. |
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| `~/.claude/sessions/<pid>.json` (modified mid-turn) | Registry metadata only: `{pid, sessionId, cwd, status, version, entrypoint:"cli", kind:"interactive"}`. **No assistant text.** (Its `entrypoint:"cli"` is incidental independent confirmation that the TUI path stays on the subscription pool.) |
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| `~/.claude/history.jsonl` (modified mid-turn) | Keys: `[display, pastedContents, timestamp, project, sessionId]` — **user prompts only**; the answer text is absent. |
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| `~/.claude/settings.json` | No key for partial/streaming output. |
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| **Ask the model to emit plain text** (so the pane render is faithful) | Would require OCP to **mutate the caller's prompt** — a correctness violation for a proxy (`ALIGNMENT.md`: forward what `cli.js` emits; do not invent), it would corrupt callers who legitimately want markdown or JSON, and it *still* would not be byte-faithful (the TUI keeps wrapping and 2-space indenting). Rejected. |
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---
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## What this means
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**True token streaming is not achievable on the TUI path**, at any effort, with any flag combination
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available in claude 2.1.207. The three observables are: a rendered terminal (lossy beyond repair), a
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transcript written at event granularity (end-of-turn), and a debug log written at end-of-turn.
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available in claude 2.1.207. The three observables are: a rendered terminal (lossy beyond
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repair), a transcript written at event granularity (the answer lands whole, end-of-turn), and a debug
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log that reports *when* tokens arrive but never *what* they are.
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`--output-format stream-json` — the one interface that *does* emit `text_delta` events — works
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**only with `--print`/`-p`**, and the `-p` path is precisely what TUI mode exists to avoid (it is
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classified `cc_entrypoint=sdk-cli` → the metered credit pool, not the subscription pool). The
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gains **nothing at all** from streaming. Only a progressively-rendering consumer (a chat UI) gains.
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- The backlog's "~20 s" for item #2 was inferred from an external report of 30–32 s, not measured
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through OCP. Measured through a real OCP instance (TUI mode, `claude-sonnet-4-6`, ~1850-token
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prompt, n=5): **median 11.30 s** before PR #156, **9.55 s** after — against a native
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`turn_duration` of ~7.3 s for a comparable turn. So OCP's own overhead over the CLI is roughly
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**2–4 s**, not 20 s; the rest of any large number is the model generating a long answer, which
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streaming hides but does not shorten. (A 30 s turn is a 30 s turn either way — the last token
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lands at the same wall-clock moment.)
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prompt, n=5): **median 11.30 s** before PR #156, **9.55 s** after.
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**Same-turn decomposition** (the honest form — one turn, both numbers): baseline row `i=5` took
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**11.563 s** end-to-end through OCP, and that same turn's transcript records
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`turn_duration: 7.319 s` of CLI-internal time. → **OCP's own overhead ≈ 4.2 s** (n=1, baseline
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`effort=high` config). Not 20 s.
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*CLI's* internal duration on an **OCP-driven** turn (it is not a "native, non-OCP" baseline — the
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same interactive `claude` is doing the work either way). Do **not** subtract this 7.3 s
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`turn_duration` would be lower, and mixing the two would *understate* the overhead. There is no
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`turn_duration` sample for the `effort=low` config.
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plan assumed. The rest of any large number is the model generating a long answer — which streaming
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The honest remaining levers on the TUI path are therefore: the **~6 s TTFT floor** (immovable — see
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[`README.md`](README.md)), the **generation time** (a function of output length — not OCP's to
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optimize), and OCP's **own 2–4 s of overhead** (per-request cold boot ≈1 s → backlog #3 warm pool;
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optimize), and OCP's **own ~4 s of overhead** (n=1 same-turn decomposition; per-request cold boot ≈1 s → backlog #3 warm pool;
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plus readiness/paste/transcript poll granularity).
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---
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@@ -174,10 +236,13 @@ plus readiness/paste/transcript poll granularity).
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# answer region against extractLatestAssistantText() over the session's transcript JSONL.
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# Expect: T.startsWith(paneText) === false, '## ' and '**' and '```' absent from the pane.
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# (c) debug log
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claude --model claude-sonnet-5 --session-id "$(uuidgen)" --effort low --debug-file /tmp/d.log
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grep -cE 'content_block_delta|text_delta' /tmp/d.log # → 0
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grep -o 'last_assistant_message":"[^"]*' /tmp/d.log # → byte-exact text, at Stop-hook time
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# (c) debug log — NOTE: default level is `debug`, which SUPPRESSES the verbose stream sites.
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# Raise it, or you will wrongly conclude there are no mid-turn events at all.
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CLAUDE_CODE_DEBUG_LOG_LEVEL=verbose \
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claude --model claude-sonnet-5 --session-id "$(uuidgen)" --effort low --debug-file /tmp/d.log
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grep -c 'yield stream_event' /tmp/d.log # → 16 (mid-turn — timing exists!)
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grep -cE 'content_block_delta|text_delta' /tmp/d.log # → 0 (…but no text payload, ever)
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grep -o 'last_assistant_message":"[^"]*' /tmp/d.log # → byte-exact text, only at Stop-hook time
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```
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Banner check (mandatory for every spawn-flag change, per [`billing-banner.txt`](billing-banner.txt)):
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